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Time to Expose an Underhanded Solar Company

On June 08, 2008 in Solar News

Well folks, this is a first.

I’ve never had to publicly call someone out on this site for using underhanded business practices, except for Becky from SiliconSolar, for what I will call a “borderline spam” comment.

Today is the day I want you to actually pay attention to what I’m writing here.

“Arizona Solar Installers” (http://www.getsolar.com) did something that made me a little mad.

If you check out the comments on my post regarding a “Solar Space Heater” you will see the comments left by Varun from Arizona Solar Installers.

First they left this nice hunk of spam(bold indicates a link to their website):

  1. Varun Said,Arizona Solar Installers - Arizona Solar Installers - Find Solar Energy Professionals and Solar Installers in Arizona at Getsolar.com.

Then they must have figured out that my comment form requires some form of spamming knowledge, and put this comment in less than a minute later from the same IP address:

  1. Arizona Solar Installers Said,Arizona Solar Installers - Find Solar Energy Professionals and Solar Installers in Arizona at Getsolar.com.

Must be they realized they wanted the business name associated with this hunk of spam so google will give them some love when my site gets crawled. This is pretty dirty, folks.

Ordinarily I would just remove these comments (like I do with all spam) so they don’t get a return link from my site, because that is what they want.

In this case though, since I am being spammed by a company selling solar stuff, I decided I would let my distaste be known.

Also though I want you to know that even by calling these spammers out I am unfortunately helping their cause a little bit, because google will see links from my site, and think that “Arizona Solar Installers” are actually useful, therefore bumping up the page rank.

The IP address the spam was posted from turns out to be from Delhi, India. Now what’s all this business about “Arizona Solar Installers” then?

IP address:                     117.197.145.9
Reverse DNS:                    [No reverse DNS entry per ns1.apnic.net.]
Reverse DNS authenticity:       [Unknown]
ASN:                            0
ASN Name:                       IANA-RSVD-0
IP range connectivity:          0
Registrar (per ASN):            Unknown
Country (per IP registrar):     IN [India]
Country Currency:               INR [India Rupees]
Country IP Range:               117.192.0.0 to 117.255.255.255
Country fraud profile:          Normal
City (per outside source):      Delhi, Delhi
Country (per outside source):   IN [India]
Private (internal) IP?          No
IP address registrar:           whois.arin.net
Known Proxy?                    No
The worst part is that this guy that owns this website supposedly has
business experience. Seems to me he should have thought about what the
public would think of his company after he hired spammers in India to
ruin his reputation.

Here is what I found on freshtilledsoil.com

Client of the Month - January, 2008

Matt Jennison, GetSolar.com

Matt Jennison, GetSolar.comWe’ve started 2008 with some of the nicest clients a design company could ever wish for. No, this is not some sycophantic effort to stoke their egos. Like any company that provides a service we have had our share of bad clients. The Client of the Month is our way of acknowledging that in the sometimes difficult process of building and marketing a website there are some people who make it a lot easier to get the job done. Matt Jennision is one of those people. Matt honed his marketing and customer service skills in the commercial airline business, most recently as a captain on the Boeing 737, for Southwest Airlines.

In addition to his flying/managing duties, Matt was a senior contract negotiator for the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association, negotiating the 1997 and 2002 agreements. After looking at his own carbon footprint from 14,000 hours of flying, he decided to apply his management and marketing skills to the renewable energy sector, in an effort to change energy generation and consumption patterns in this country. Matt holds a BA in Political Science from Skidmore, and an MBA in Technology Innovation from MIT.

 Here is their add on linksreferences.com:

"solar installers
Get Solar.com | PowerHouse: A New Kind of American Home. Finding a
trusted professional in a field as new  as renewable energy can be
a time-consuming and daunting challenge. GetSolar.com takes all of
the guesswork out of the  equation and helps you easily access
a list of qualified pros in your neighborhood.”

They might have quality pros in your neighborhood, but they are also
paying spammers in India to bother me.

I can understand that getting a website off the ground and getting
traffic to it can be difficult, especially with no public referring
links. I even toed the line that Mr. Jennison is toeing when putting
up this site.

HOWEVER: There are some fundamental differences between what I did and
what Mr. Jennison did (whether personally or on his behalf.)

In order to get search engine traffic, you need backlinks. I got a few
personal legitimate backlinks through human contact (like Mr. Jennison
should have attempted with me, it would have gone well, I promise.) Then
I put some comments on blogs and posts on message boards, with links to
my site.

The differences though, are clear to me.

I was not putting an advertisement for goods or services on someone
else’s website. I was responding to questions/statements with useful
information, and then providing my website as a free avenue to explore
such technologies and ideas. I do not sell anything. I do not provide
any services. I do not make any profit from this website. Google ads
have brought in a little but THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS.

Matthew Jennison, however, has crossed the line in my opinion. I
would have certainly given a link to his site had he sent an email
or left a comment with some useful information. Instead, there was
a spam comment much to the tune of a billboard left in the comments
section of one of my posts. Not only that, but it is one of my posts
with some keywords that I’m sure Mr. Jennison would love to have
Google associate with his site.

I cannot influence the world, but I am certainly willing to give
the facts and my own opinions on what Matthew Jennison,
Arizona Solar Installers, getsolar.com, and their crazy Indian
spammers are doing.

Today I left a comment on one of Mr. Jennison’s blog posts.
He probably won’t approve it, so his readers will never get
to see how he is trying to step on people providing free
information in order to sell them a service.

That’s right folks, this kind gentleman thought he could leave
some spam here, and rather than have you read some of the nice
good free information I link to, he wants you to go give him
some money to do what you can do on your own.

This is called solarDIY for a reason. Mostly the DIY part but I also post some
stuff about solar once in a while ;) 

I suppose you can say this whole experience has really given me
a newfound distaste for people trying to take advantage of the
alternative energy community as a whole, and I will not stand
idly by and watch it happen anymore.

From now on, any time I see a solar company doing something shady,
I’ll be sure to let the public know.

<update>

 Here is pretty much the resume of my new friend Matt Jennison

Here is a comment someone named George from getsolar.com left on the wired blog
which is lacking in substance, but certainly not directly spam like what
they left here. Oh and they couldn’t forget a link to their site ;) 

Oh and 
Here is another comment Georgie left on the wired blog 

Won’t spam wired but you’ll spam me eh? 

Looks like they 
don’t mind spamming cnet either, but this still is at least
related to what it was posted on.

<another update>

Wow these people just can’t hold themselves back from
 spamming anything on the internet with a comment box

I’m all for healthy debate Submitted by Eric Messinger (not verified)
on Thu, 2008-05-01 18:15.

I’m all for healthy debate about climate change, as with any subject,
so long as the arguments presented are intellectually valid, factually
supported, and fair. If Heartland needs to marshall support of their
causes with misleading evidence, then I’m less inclined to believe their
case is strong.
http://www.getsolar.com/blog/”

And to think, they sound so nice.

George even spammed a news article on canada.com! check this out

George
Thu, May 8, 08 at 09:23 PM
Just fyi for anyone looking for affordable local solar panel installers in their area,
this is a great resource: http://www.getsolar.com”
And the same junk again on another news site:

 5/7/2008 6:18:49 PM
 “Just fyi if you’re lookng for local solar panel installers,
 this is great resource: http://www.getsolar.com”

                                  

Apparently old-school advertising doesn’t work anymore? 

Here is a comment on a cnet news article:

by georgebizpro May 7, 2008 5:20 PM PDT
FYI, for anyone interested in looking into getting solar power for
their homes, this is an excellent resource to find local solar panel
installers in your area: http://www.getsolar.com”

Looking at the google results, I could probably find examples like
this all day long. Some are less nefarious than others, but most
are down right spam. George sure is a Biz Pro, isn’t he?

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